6 Replies Latest reply on Oct 27, 2011 5:10 AM by William Aton

    There is no such thing as pure energy, only energy currencies such as ATP in cells in biology

    William Aton

      The photon is not pure energy.  It is an energy currency,  It stores motive power in a harmonic oscillator using elements of inductance and capacitance.  It lies immotive until energized sufficient to start the oscillations then passes through space until it encounters another object with sufficient resonance to complete the cycle and transfer motive force thus ending the oscillations in the photon and beginning another sort of energy storage, movement, or currency in the new object.

          • Re: There is no such thing as pure energy, only energy currencies such as ATP in cells in biology
            William Aton

            Dear Nathan,

             

            As per our private conversation, I am glad that you brought up relativity.  I believe that Einstein's mass equation is best thought of as a further constraint to conservation theory;  clearly energy and mass are related but it goes to far to say that something has been destroyed or converted without explaining the nature of mass in the first place.  I believe that the concept of mass means nothing more than the capacity of movement.  To me this is what E=mc^2 is all about, telling us that mass and energy are related parts of the same puzzel. 

          • Re: There is no such thing as pure energy, only energy currencies such as ATP in cells in biology
            Mitsuru Yamada

            Dear Mr. William Aton, Sir

             

                 This is an amateur physicist.

            I am sorry for I did not learn quantumelectrodynamics.

             

                 But your description of the whole life cycle of a photon was so fresh for me that it impressed me deeply.  And you wrote a very abstractive and succinct description of the concept of mass in your response to Mr. Averill.  It also made me surprised.  Your discussion aroused me a lot of , and a lot of curiosity.  Could you please let me know your views about the followings?

             

                 First.  You described a photon by a harmonic oscillator comprised from inductance and capacitance like an electric circuit.  Then does what property of space give the "inductance" and "capacitance"?  Where are they in the vacuum space?

             

                 Second.  You wrote that a photon passes from an object to another through space acting like an energy currency.  The very point that I would like to ask you is how does a photon pass through the space.  Please give me the equation that describes the process of travelling of a photon through space.  Or is it still given by the ordinary wave equation which we derive from the Maxwell's equations?

            Now, the news of faster than light speed particle is arousing the world.  I think to know the equation that describes the process of passing or travelling or propagating of a photon through the space has now a very important value that must has to do with resolving the conundrum of the faster than light speed particle.

             

                 Third.  This is my personal speculation.  You regard the Einstein's equation E=mc^2 as a some kind of conservation law.  Then how do you think about the sizes of electron or nucleon?  Do you think they have finite, non zero radii?  I am speculating if possible all of them might be mathematical point.  That is, an electron is a point mass and at the same time a point charge.  Do you think we can squeeze the energy quantum into an infinitesimal small point in space?

             

            Sincerely

            Mitsuru Yamada

            October 21, 2011

              • Re: There is no such thing as pure energy, only energy currencies such as ATP in cells in biology
                William Aton

                Dear Mitsuru,

                 

                Thanks for your interest!

                 

                As I'm sure you are aware space is a vacuum but it is by no means empty.  You may not be aware that in many circles today the concept of some sort of ether has been revived.  Some regard the cosmic background radiation as ample proof of this.  Further, inductance and capacitance are well known to exist and thrive in the "vacuum" of space.

                 

                Faster than light speed is no problem.  Light travels at a speed apparently dependent on the medium involved; there may be a medium that allows some particles to travel faster, who knows.  Furthermore the burden of proof is on those who are trying to prove the negative.  Many astronomers today, such as my friend James Webb of the University of New South Wales, are struggling with new evidence that physical constants seem to be changing as we look into the far reaches of space.

                 

                If an energy quantum exists it too must be taken into consideration when deciding that something is missing from a reaction.  Clearly the energetic movement came from somewhere.  Isn't it easier to decide that movement generated in a reaction was caused by a capacity in the atom than to jump the gun and assume that "pure energy" was created from nowhere or worse?

                 

                Sincerely,

                William S. Aton

              • Re: There is no such thing as pure energy, only energy currencies such as ATP in cells in biology
                Mitsuru Yamada

                Dear Mr. William S. Aton, Sir

                 

                     Thank you very much for your kind answer.

                I would like to try to ask you again.  Since I am a layman after all, please forgive me my ignorance.

                 

                Frankly speaking, I still do not understand the terms such as "inductance" and "capacitance" which you say are naturally occuring in the vacuum space. Are they according with quantum mechanics?  Could you please introduce me some textbook for reference?  Or could you please explain the derivative procedure of their concepts using your own mathematecal wording starting from the concept of "vacuum"?  And do they have any relation with the now reviving concept of "ether"?  For me it is important to know and confirm the procedure beggining from the concept of vacuum and ending at the concepts of inductance and capacitance.  What element of vacuum makes the coil, or condenser?  What corresponds to the electric current or voltage in the LC circuit analogy?

                 

                Now the word "photon" is prevaing to express a light, a clump of electromagnetic energy that is travelling through the space.  In classical electromagnetism, the light is a wave, and that a light travels through the space without the need of the concept of ether as the old experiment of Michelson-Morley proved.  That is, the space itself had been concluded to be the medium for light propagation.  Thus far, I believed in this view until you touched the experimental result of IRAS of 1995.

                 

                By the way, then how about if we shift our standing point of view from classical to quatum mechanistic one?  Let us for a moment express the electric field by a symbol E.  In classical description, the equation Laplacian E- second time derivative of E = 0 usually gives us as one solution, the plain wave.  That is, E=amplitude times exponential(ikx-omega t).  This plain wave may be a group of plenty of photons.   But a macroscopic description of a wave propagation through a medium is much more easily understandable. 

                 

                But how about the motion of each photon that constitutes the entire plain wave?  I would dare to point out the problem, if it can be called a problem, the problem of the motion and trajectory of a photon.  How does a photon move?  Is the motion of the individual photon merely an inertial movement like?  Does a photon have definite direction of motion?  How about the uncertainty principle concerning the photon's motion?  Does a photon draw a definite straight trajectory?  Are the inductance and capacitance that you promote distributed spacially in vacuum?  Are they distributed uniformly in this space?  Do the spacial distribution of the inductance and capacitance affect the course and velocity of the motion of a photon? 

                 

                How do you think, Sir?  The point of the discussion this time is the identity of the inductance and capacitance and their relation with the movement of a photon.

                 

                Mitsuru Yamada

                October 27, 2011

                  • Re: There is no such thing as pure energy, only energy currencies such as ATP in cells in biology
                    William Aton

                    Dear Mitsuru,

                     

                    Capacitance and inductance are covered in every first year textbook on physics.  At the present level of understanding they do not explain how they work but that they do work; and work they do throughout all known space and time as we see it these days.  I do not blame you for being confused.

                     

                    Don't get bogged down in a study of quantum mechanics at this point; it has been a stumbling block for many people and is not needed to understand a bit about classical first year physics.

                     

                    Be sure to read up on the problem of particle wave duality.  You will learn that conveniently they describe the photon as a wave and then as a particle as the application requires.

                     

                    The propagation of a wave of photons in space is complex.  It involves inductance and capacitative properties in the vacuum.  Photons are well known to be harmonic oscillators;  They have this property when they travel and do not when they are at rest or have given up their energy which ever you prefer.  They appear to travel in a straight line until nudged off course by intense gravitational fields.  This also is well known. 

                     

                    Michelson-Morely was disproved in the 1990's when the background radiation of the universe we see was mapped by satellites.  It held only in earth's electromagnetic - gravity well apparently.

                     

                    Do your studies and be patient, its called due diligence in some circles.  It will take you many years to learn how things go in science.  Buy the best books you can and don't forget to study those old library books, find out how people majoring outside of science view or used to view things. 

                     

                    Good luck,

                    William S. Aton